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Isaac Reeves

Posted by Claire Eubanks, 18 August 2017 at 10:02 EDT
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Beverly,

You may recall I am searching for where the NPE in my Cardwell Line occurred. Since my great grandfather was born in Athensville, Illinois I've been looking at Reeves families in the area.

In reading the discussion on this wiki page I am wondering if there are two Reeves families getting mixed together... one in Morgan County, Illinois and one in Morgan County, Indiana.

The quoted portion on this page from the History of Morgan, Monroe, and Brown County (Indiana) is about a John Reeves born in Mason County, KY in 1802 who settled in Morgan County, Indiana.

There are two Histories that I have been looking at covering Morgan County Illinois (1878 and one compiled in 1884-85) both Histories talk in detail about Huram Reeve. The History of Morgan County, Illinois its Past and Present 1878 lists three Reeve family members. John born in NC in 1802, Isaac B born in NC 1804, and Huram b NC 1806. All settling in Morgan County in 1820. In the compiled 1884-85 version it seems like they looked at the stories from 78 and had Huram Reeve vouch for the accuracy because he was the eldest still living in 1884. It also notes that Huram's wife is Keren which I think she is listed on the wiki page as a possible child of Isaac Reeves Jr? I'll also note that Morgan County, Illinois borders Greene County, Illinois near Athensville.

Are the John Reeve(s) two different people? To me it seems so. Let me know if I'm missing something. But if you agree, Is Group 6C associated with the Indiana Reeves or the Illinois Reeve family? And do we have someone in the DNA project from both lines? From the DNA testing my father is in Group 3.

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Claire Eubanks

Re: Isaac Reeves

Posted by Claire Eubanks, 18 August 2017 at 14:04 EDT
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Before I send someone down a rabbit hole.... I mis read my notes I see Keren was noted as Miss Keren Reeves**

Claire,
There were 2 John Reeves in this family. John Reeve, the son of James Reeve, who migrated to Morgan County, INDIANA and John Reeve, the son of his brother Isaac Reeve, Jr. who migrated to Morgan County, ILLINOIS. Actually there were 3 John Reeves in the family because Isaac Reeve, Sr. also had a son John, who hasn't been located once he left Wilkes County, North Carolina.

As for their DNA, those male descendants of Isaac Reeve(s), Sr. are all in DNA Group 6C while Paul F. Cardwell matches DNA Group 3. There are enough similaries in the STP results that both groups probably had the same country of origin, i.e. Ireland or Britain but there are too many non-matching STPs for the relationship to be very close.

I hope this answers your immediate questions, if not just post a message on this page.

Beverly
8 Aug 2017 3:57 PM

This clears things up thank you! I have been going back through the census looking at families associated with the Cardwell's that I had researched previous to the DNA test. I noticed the Joel Reeve family on the same page of the 1850 census as Anderson Ferguson (whose grand daughter married John H Cardwell).
Claire

I'm glad that was some help Claire. Where did Joel Reeve and Anderson Ferguson live in 1850? I'll see if I can trace Joel Reeve back a few generations for you. Never mind this comment Claire, when I looked at the 1850 census of Greene County, IL, I discovered that Joel Reeve was a descendant of Isaac Reeve of Wilkes County NC so he was DNA Group 6C and not a candidate for the Reeves ancestor.

However, in Rutherford County, Tennessee in 1830, I see a 40-50 year old Anderson Ferguson living as next neighbor to Anderson H. Cardwell which may indicate another generation back in the Cardwell lineage. I'm currently looking at Reeves in Rutherford County.

Beverly
20 Aug 2017

That is interesting, I'll have to take a closer look. Anderson Ferguson was already in Illinois in 1830 If I am recalling correctly.

Here is a brief look into the Cardwell line:

Anderson Cardwell b 1785ish (wife Elizabeth Robinson... Anderson is in Smith County, TN in 1820-1840. Ages of the kids seem to match what is in the 1850 census) Anderson is listed as a minor child in the 1805 NC Supreme Court case Cardwell Heirs vs Brodie. His father, Thomas Cardwell, died in Granville, NC in 1799.

Samuel Cardwell b 1831 in TN (wife Narsissa Medlock - I find it interesting they married in St. Charles County, Missouri which is across the Mississippi River from where they were living) Narsissa is a bit of a mystery she is not living with Samuel and their children in 1870. She died sometime in the 1870s per a photo of her grave, websites list 1874). In 1870 he is living with a younger male relative with the children. I have not located them in an 1860 census.

John H b 1862 (wife Lucinda E Ferguson... John H commits suicide in 1894 and Lucinda married David Kilgore by the 1900 census)

Louis (wife Maude Blanton)
Melvin
Paul (my dad)

I've also tried to look in the Stark family since my dad is a 0 match at 37 markers. But not much progress there.

Probably more than you wanted to know! Sorry, this may not be the right page for this talk.

Claire

20 August 2017

Claire, on the contrary, this is the perfect page for this information. We can just make it something of a talk page regarding research of the Cardwell/Reeves connection. In fact I spoke with Martin and I'm going to change the name of the page to talk_Reeves_and_Cardwell which is far more relevant that Isaac Reeves Sr. We can just keep exchanging research and clues to the NPE here.

I assume you've looked at the Cardwell DNA Project to follow other descendants of this Cardwell family in hopes of finding where the NPE occurred. Presumably John Cardwell is just a one off but maybe there are others whose DNA tests might hold clues. And the Stark connection, I wonder where and when that might have occurred.

BTW, in regard to Thomas Cardwell's death happening in Granville County NC, maybe the NPE is that far back since the Reeves of DNA Group 3 are from the Granville area. I didn't realize the Cardwell family had a connection to Granville.

Nothing like a good mystery to solve.

Beverly
21 Aug 2017

Beverly,
It is possible that the NPE was that far back. The Cardwell DNA project has not had any descendants of Anderson Cardwell tested. But there are others in the Thomas Cardwell of Granville, NC line. The NC Supreme Court case had 7 male heirs named, of those 7, three branches have been tested.

The Starks are in Texas and may have migrated from Louisana. But I need to spend more time on my mystery from that angle.

I'm still learning about interpreting results but none of the Cardwell DNA project participants are in my matches. There aren't nearly as many descendants tested.

I have a feeling this one may take some time to solve! Thanks for your help you have given me some idea of where to look next.
Claire
22 August 2017


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